[ntpwg] KoD 'backoff' BCP/direction

[TS Glassey]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Seaman" <seaman at noao.edu>
To: <ntpwg at ntp.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [ntpwg] KoD 'backoff' BCP/direction


> Oh - why not?
>
> On Jun 1, 2008, at 7:50 AM, TS Glassey wrote:
>
>> I think the biggest problem we are running into is that NTP is a
>> utility that has become critical for proper operations of systems
>> meaning that its now more important to Auditors than to the
>> Physicists who designed the idea of NTP.
>
> And are physicists or auditors more important to the rest of us?  :-)
>

Apparently not Rob meaning that the NTP we are working on is a technical 
curiosity since without those corporate client's and their users, most of us 
have nothing to do.

> Less snarkily, requirements may derive from either economic or
> scientific use cases, but system design is about engineering.
>
>> The problem is that Auditor's need something much different than
>> what you folks are arguing about
>
>
> So NTP is something that doesn't address the needs of your community.
> Which begs the question:  Why don't the auditors pay somebody to build
> a system that does?  They certainly have more money than the
> physicists.  Kind of embarrassing really if the auditors are failing
> to account for the proper value of timekeeping.

The reasons for that have more to do with arrogant Systems Administrator's 
who put the white coat on and screamed "Believe me because I am a scientist 
and I know right" - what a crock of merde...

>
>> But before anyone here starts making proclamations as to what NTP
>> needs you need to establish the viewpoint perspective of the person
>> uttering that commentary since if its not from an Auditor - it
>> should ONLY be about the precision of the time data moved about a
>> network.
>
> Sounds like a proclamation to me :-)

It is. And its based in this groups blanket and repeated refusal to build an 
'approved BCP for the use of NTP'.

>
>> I would use XML messaging too to insure that the messages can be
>> properly managed as well.
>
> Snort!

Yeah I know - XML is ... well painful and a waste for many processes but 
this is about producing both human and machine readable records of events 
which we are trying to attest a formal evidence of a time-setting or 
time-assay event.

>
> Rob Seaman
> National Optical Astronomy Observatory
>
>
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