[ntpwg] KoD 'backoff' BCP/direction

[TS Glassey]

Danny, I haven't laughed so hard in months. Thanks! Ahahahahahaha hahahaha -

As it happens I think the tone of your response says everything that the
people writing checks for those participating here need to see.

Todd Glassey

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Danny Mayer" <mayer at ntp.isc.org>
To: "Rob Seaman" <seaman at noao.edu>
Cc: <ntpwg at ntp.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [ntpwg] KoD 'backoff' BCP/direction


> Rob Seaman wrote:
>> Oh - why not?
>>
>> On Jun 1, 2008, at 7:50 AM, TS Glassey wrote:
>>
>>> I think the biggest problem we are running into is that NTP is a
>>> utility that has become critical for proper operations of systems
>>> meaning that its now more important to Auditors than to the
>>> Physicists who designed the idea of NTP.
>>
>> And are physicists or auditors more important to the rest of us?  :-)
>>
>
> Well, people like you working in astronomy need the accuracy otherwise
> your telescopes will miss their targets. It's not clear that the
> auditors will have a clue in the first place.
>
>> Less snarkily, requirements may derive from either economic or
>> scientific use cases, but system design is about engineering.
>>
>>> The problem is that Auditor's need something much different than
>>> what you folks are arguing about
>>
>
> They may know what they need but they have no clue about how to get it.
>>
>> So NTP is something that doesn't address the needs of your community.
>> Which begs the question:  Why don't the auditors pay somebody to build
>> a system that does?  They certainly have more money than the
>> physicists.  Kind of embarrassing really if the auditors are failing
>> to account for the proper value of timekeeping.
>>
>
> Almost no auditor needs the kind of accurate timekeeping that NTP
> provides. While it's true that they make lots of money, they do it on
> the dime of the people that they are auditing.
>
>>> But before anyone here starts making proclamations as to what NTP
>>> needs you need to establish the viewpoint perspective of the person
>>> uttering that commentary since if its not from an Auditor - it
>>> should ONLY be about the precision of the time data moved about a
>>> network.
>>
>> Sounds like a proclamation to me :-)
>>
>>> I would use XML messaging too to insure that the messages can be
>>> properly managed as well.
>>
>> Snort!
>
> XML has nothing to do with managing messages.
>
> Danny
>
>> Rob Seaman
>> National Optical Astronomy Observatory
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