[ntpwg] [ntp:hackers] MS-SNTP

[Andrew Bartlett]

On Sat, 2008-03-29 at 17:48 +0000, David L. Mills wrote:
> Andrew,

> This is quickly becoming a failed mission. If Microsoft insists on 
> propagating MS-SNTP, they should provide their own infrastructure 
> independent of the existing NTP infrastructure. 

This is not about what Microsoft wants.  Microsoft does not want this to
happen.  Microsoft would be very happy if we get tied up in discussions
like this one, unable to make forward progress.

This is about the Samba team not wishing to re-implement (or
fork-and-embed) ntpd.  It looks like a simple enough protocol, it
shouldn't be to hard, but I really don't want to do that.

I agree, Microsoft has been bastards, and completely stomping on your
protocol.  I'll soon be giving a talk at SambaXP in 2 weeks time
entitled 'the little barber shop of horrors', looking at what they did
to LDAP.

My concern is how to progress Samba4, and our effort to replace
Microsoft's AD domain controller with one running on Linux, for existing
clients, running unmodified client software.  Microsoft's clients will
not run unmodified without this authentication suite, when talking to
what they think is an AD domain controller. 

As I see it, the more we can use existing open source software, and have
our changes included upstream (preferably in a way that users can just
enable a Samba4 quirks mode) the better is is for the open source
software community.

I realise this will not help a mission of leaving Microsoft out in the
cold, but if we can't make this work, the only people it will hurt is
the Samba team, and those trying to reduce their dependence on
Micorsoft's software.  

Andrew Bartlett

-- 
Andrew Bartlett
http://samba.org/~abartlet/
Authentication Developer, Samba Team           http://samba.org
Samba Developer, Red Hat Inc.
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